Discussions On Atheism Revisited

The exciting discussion about Atheism continues.
Please feel free to express your opinions on this issue in the comment section. If I’m wrong, or mistaken about anything, please correct me.

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  • Posted October 3, 2010 at 2:07 am | Permalink
Rieux

There are plenty of reasons to be angry about religion, but if you depend solely on your emotions to guide you, then it is a slippery slope back into close-mindedness [sic]

You exemplified this perfectly by comparing the Gnu Atheist movement to the fucking civil rights movement.

Whereas your argument by bare assertion, complete with F-bomb for emphasis, was the pinnacle of cool reasoning?

Please. Atheists are a minority that is widely mistreated by a majority that hates us. We are hardly the first group to be in this position, and previous such groups have improved their standing by using tactics that have utilized plenty of emotion, including anger.

The parallels between atheists and other despised minorities are rather obvious; if you’d like to argue that they are inapposite, you’re going to have to actually provide some reasoning to that end. Empty sneering at the comparison does not actually rebut it.

We, as pragmatic skeptics, not just as atheists, should tare [sic] down illogical claims that have no evidentiary support….

Indeed so. Your rebuttal would appear to be just such a claim.

[W]e should not, if we mean to maintain a rational mindset, become so arrogantly ignorant as to falsely think and act like we can never be wrong; which, I think, is the cornerstone of being angry.

Nonsense.That’s not what anger is, and you simply haven’t considered the legitimate reasons for, and constructive uses of, anger.

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Here is my response.

Posted October 3, 2010 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

“Whereas your argument by bare assertion, complete with F-bomb for emphasis, was the pinnacle of cool reasoning?”

So, whoever says “Fuck” is automatically angry?
Bullshit. It’s just a word. Grow up, and get over it.

In any case, I’m not endorsing stoicism. Emotions are a healthy human response, but moreover, they will not add to the progress of humanity;
it most certainly will not help anyone discover the truth.
I totally agree that anger can be a great motivator, but if left unattended, it can fester into a self-righteous sense of entitlement, that makes people seem unstable, irrational, and insecure.

You can live how you like, but I would prefer that we, as a society, be motivated by altruism, logic, and honesty, rather than our basest negative emotions.

“The parallels between atheists and other despised minorities are rather obvious; if you’d like to argue that they are inapposite, you’re going to have to actually provide some reasoning to that end.”

I agree that Atheists are a despised minority. How is relying on anger supposed change that?

Here are a few videos that depict some of the violence that occurred during the civil rights movement.
http://vimeo.com/1003161

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBPeCQzHu5w

We do not see this level of violence in the Gnu Atheist movement, so I don’t think it’s fair to compare ourselves to the blacks protesters of that time.

Here’s another video, that I find particularly pertinent to the claim that the blacks wouldn’t have succeeded without anger.

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